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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROXBY DOWNS INDENTURE ACT NOT LEGALLY BINDING? CHECK IT OUT!

With the Roxby Indenture Act. I’m assuming that’s an agreement with the SA govt. Would that be correct everyone?

Obviously we are aware, aren’t we, that a majority of the water is sucked into SA (Olympic Dam) by the pumping process, from as far away as Qld and northern NSW? Again…aren’t we folks?

GAB water is clearly going to Olympic Dam from across the border and needs an IMMEDIATE enquiry as to whether the Roxby Downs Indenture Act is signed by NSW and Queenland along with Indigenous (Land and) Water use Agreements from every aboriginal nation that has a tradition tie to land connected to every area above the GAB across Australia. 

If this is the case then BHP Billiton would have a legal agreement and open permission to syphon off NSW and QLD water without conscious during our countries greatest drought. 

This continual extraction of water whether it is dewatering, bore water or the syphoning off of underground streams will inevitably force many primary producing properties to close? These primary producers are our food chain folks. Take a reality check….please!

From an ex-WMC worker: Quote: ” Roxby does control the sump of the GAB and therefore the whole Basin. 

Current water extraction causes a cone of depression at the well site which in turn causes a drop in the potentiametric head across the whole basin. ie the drawdown effect can be felt 1000’s of kms away. The result of the cone of depression causes water to speed up as it tries to fill the void created by pumping. 

The eastern states should be querying Roxby’s water extraction programme as a reason for the poor state of their own Artesian waters” End of quote. 

Sorry if I’m dreaming here but BHP Billiton ARE using water from across the border. As mentioned the Land Use agreements with the indigenous people are now called Land and Water Use Agreements. Are the South Australian indigenous people informed of this impact on water belonging to other states and signing illegally on behalf of the NSW and QLD indigenous people. 

Again, does BHP have signatures from every indigenous group who has historical ties to land above the entire GAB land mass in this country?

According to three credible studies the origin of the Great Artesian Basin water is Plutonic, which means any surface recharge would be of little significance to main body of any Artesian Basin in the World. Mining companies have collapsed Artesian Basins in countries, not their own, before today.

Read a report a few days ago which says that BHP claim the levels in GAB are down due to very little rain.

From memory it was 100 metres down. Would you stop immediately to spare a country who has been your host. No they won’t, al the while we believe it is only SA water on the line. Are we so stupid in 2008? 

Are the Governments of this country so naïve, lacking information or instruction, not initiated; deficient in relevant experience and totally gullible or just plain, short term greedy middle men?.

Does the Queensland Government enjoy considering giving Australian taxpayers expensively processed recycled sewage while an offshore company collapses our own water lifeline? Is there some knowlege that the world will end soon and we won’t be needing this water?

If this company was the “good corporate citizen” it claims to be then it would have the honesty and the moral conscience to get off OUR Basin and find something else less destructive to do. 

This goes for every other mining company with it’s massive water extraction plans that are put conveniently out of the reach of the average person. Don’t you ever wonder how their water needs are satisfied? 

If you don’t, then you deserve what you get.

If any of our Governments really cared about it’s own country then this would not be happening. We not only have a problem with red tape in this country. There are far too many chiefs and not enough indians in a stuffy, clicky, complicated, pumped up bureaucracy of Ostriches, who have made a mistake and won’t admit or correct it. 

How do they compensate for BHP having control of the main body of Australia’s water? By forcing the people of this country to pay the price. 

Let BHP recycle their own sewage. We don’t wan’t the slurry from their desal plant in our environment either.

WAKE UP AUSTRALIANS, YOUR CHILDREN WILL NEED THIS WATER. Our very own Primary Producers need this water. Wake up Governments and dispense with BHP Billiton. Get them off our Land…now… and turn off the GAB tap to Olympic Dam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROXBY DOWNS INDENTURE ACT NOT LEGALLY BINDING? CHECK IT OUT!</p>
<p>With the Roxby Indenture Act. I’m assuming that’s an agreement with the SA govt. Would that be correct everyone?</p>
<p>Obviously we are aware, aren’t we, that a majority of the water is sucked into SA (Olympic Dam) by the pumping process, from as far away as Qld and northern NSW? Again…aren’t we folks?</p>
<p>GAB water is clearly going to Olympic Dam from across the border and needs an IMMEDIATE enquiry as to whether the Roxby Downs Indenture Act is signed by NSW and Queenland along with Indigenous (Land and) Water use Agreements from every aboriginal nation that has a tradition tie to land connected to every area above the GAB across Australia. </p>
<p>If this is the case then BHP Billiton would have a legal agreement and open permission to syphon off NSW and QLD water without conscious during our countries greatest drought. </p>
<p>This continual extraction of water whether it is dewatering, bore water or the syphoning off of underground streams will inevitably force many primary producing properties to close? These primary producers are our food chain folks. Take a reality check….please!</p>
<p>From an ex-WMC worker: Quote: ” Roxby does control the sump of the GAB and therefore the whole Basin. </p>
<p>Current water extraction causes a cone of depression at the well site which in turn causes a drop in the potentiametric head across the whole basin. ie the drawdown effect can be felt 1000’s of kms away. The result of the cone of depression causes water to speed up as it tries to fill the void created by pumping. </p>
<p>The eastern states should be querying Roxby’s water extraction programme as a reason for the poor state of their own Artesian waters” End of quote. </p>
<p>Sorry if I’m dreaming here but BHP Billiton ARE using water from across the border. As mentioned the Land Use agreements with the indigenous people are now called Land and Water Use Agreements. Are the South Australian indigenous people informed of this impact on water belonging to other states and signing illegally on behalf of the NSW and QLD indigenous people. </p>
<p>Again, does BHP have signatures from every indigenous group who has historical ties to land above the entire GAB land mass in this country?</p>
<p>According to three credible studies the origin of the Great Artesian Basin water is Plutonic, which means any surface recharge would be of little significance to main body of any Artesian Basin in the World. Mining companies have collapsed Artesian Basins in countries, not their own, before today.</p>
<p>Read a report a few days ago which says that BHP claim the levels in GAB are down due to very little rain.</p>
<p>From memory it was 100 metres down. Would you stop immediately to spare a country who has been your host. No they won’t, al the while we believe it is only SA water on the line. Are we so stupid in 2008? </p>
<p>Are the Governments of this country so naïve, lacking information or instruction, not initiated; deficient in relevant experience and totally gullible or just plain, short term greedy middle men?.</p>
<p>Does the Queensland Government enjoy considering giving Australian taxpayers expensively processed recycled sewage while an offshore company collapses our own water lifeline? Is there some knowlege that the world will end soon and we won’t be needing this water?</p>
<p>If this company was the “good corporate citizen” it claims to be then it would have the honesty and the moral conscience to get off OUR Basin and find something else less destructive to do. </p>
<p>This goes for every other mining company with it’s massive water extraction plans that are put conveniently out of the reach of the average person. Don’t you ever wonder how their water needs are satisfied? </p>
<p>If you don’t, then you deserve what you get.</p>
<p>If any of our Governments really cared about it’s own country then this would not be happening. We not only have a problem with red tape in this country. There are far too many chiefs and not enough indians in a stuffy, clicky, complicated, pumped up bureaucracy of Ostriches, who have made a mistake and won’t admit or correct it. </p>
<p>How do they compensate for BHP having control of the main body of Australia’s water? By forcing the people of this country to pay the price. </p>
<p>Let BHP recycle their own sewage. We don’t wan’t the slurry from their desal plant in our environment either.</p>
<p>WAKE UP AUSTRALIANS, YOUR CHILDREN WILL NEED THIS WATER. Our very own Primary Producers need this water. Wake up Governments and dispense with BHP Billiton. Get them off our Land…now… and turn off the GAB tap to Olympic Dam.</p>
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		<title>By: nigel</title>
		<link>http://news.rosettamoon.com/?p=185&#038;cpage=1#comment-7636</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, not just the eastern states, any earthling who has anything to say about the abuse of the planet for ill-considered short term economic greed, should be more than concerned, should be asking questions and demanding answers, as to why a government, or a people in a region, would standby and watch as such abuse of ancient and precious natural systems is perpetrated by the ignorant, the selfish and the blind which suddenly appeared? 

Any person directly or indirectly connected to such arrangements need to become more knowing of their stake, and if they be prepared to advance in conscious and caring to act immediately and locally as no effect is allowed to continue. Its a long and intricate cycle and if people subscribe to media and mind control, they will neither advance themselves or the interests of their communities. Others will and some result will transpire and there will be benefits and set-backs in the end and that is at the end of the day a part of both active decision making, fate and if you choose to believe it, kharma or the ever re-circulating washing machine of our true existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, not just the eastern states, any earthling who has anything to say about the abuse of the planet for ill-considered short term economic greed, should be more than concerned, should be asking questions and demanding answers, as to why a government, or a people in a region, would standby and watch as such abuse of ancient and precious natural systems is perpetrated by the ignorant, the selfish and the blind which suddenly appeared? </p>
<p>Any person directly or indirectly connected to such arrangements need to become more knowing of their stake, and if they be prepared to advance in conscious and caring to act immediately and locally as no effect is allowed to continue. Its a long and intricate cycle and if people subscribe to media and mind control, they will neither advance themselves or the interests of their communities. Others will and some result will transpire and there will be benefits and set-backs in the end and that is at the end of the day a part of both active decision making, fate and if you choose to believe it, kharma or the ever re-circulating washing machine of our true existence.</p>
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		<title>By: al lad</title>
		<link>http://news.rosettamoon.com/?p=185&#038;cpage=1#comment-7567</link>
		<dc:creator>al lad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>roxby does control the sump of the GAB and therefore the whole basin. current water extraction causes a cone of depression at the well site which in turn cause a drop in the potentiametric head across the whole basin. ie the drawdown effect can be felt 1000&#039;s of kms away. the result of the cone of depression causes water to speed up as it tries to fill the void created by pumping. your figures about GAB recharge need to be viewed in a context of persistent drought and water hydraulics. ie the waters of the Gab are interconnected and in any water system air locks can eventuate. The eastern states should be querying Roxby&#039;s water extraction programme as a reason for the poor state of their own artesian waters</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>roxby does control the sump of the GAB and therefore the whole basin. current water extraction causes a cone of depression at the well site which in turn cause a drop in the potentiametric head across the whole basin. ie the drawdown effect can be felt 1000&#8217;s of kms away. the result of the cone of depression causes water to speed up as it tries to fill the void created by pumping. your figures about GAB recharge need to be viewed in a context of persistent drought and water hydraulics. ie the waters of the Gab are interconnected and in any water system air locks can eventuate. The eastern states should be querying Roxby&#8217;s water extraction programme as a reason for the poor state of their own artesian waters</p>
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		<title>By: Boof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding is that the proposed desal plant at Pt Bonython (near Whyalla) could eliminate or greatly reduce the take from the GAB. Some mystery energy source will remove the salt from the seawater, pump the fresh water 300km to Roxby Downs and the hypersaline waste water back into the gulf where it will be diluted.

As a bonus the Morgan-Whyalla pipeline from the Murray can be turned off letting more river flow downstream. I suggest if done right the Olympic Dam expansion program could enormously benefit different groups of people.  Or perhaps future prime minister Bob Brown will close Roxby Downs and all will be well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that the proposed desal plant at Pt Bonython (near Whyalla) could eliminate or greatly reduce the take from the GAB. Some mystery energy source will remove the salt from the seawater, pump the fresh water 300km to Roxby Downs and the hypersaline waste water back into the gulf where it will be diluted.</p>
<p>As a bonus the Morgan-Whyalla pipeline from the Murray can be turned off letting more river flow downstream. I suggest if done right the Olympic Dam expansion program could enormously benefit different groups of people.  Or perhaps future prime minister Bob Brown will close Roxby Downs and all will be well.</p>
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